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Google Corrects Andrew Yang & Ramesh Srinivasan On How Search Works
Danny Sullivan, the Google Search Liaison, responded to Andrew Yang, the businessman, attorney, lobbyist and political candidate and Ramesh Srinivasan, UCLA professor, that they are wrong on how Google Search works. It is actually shocking how wrong Ramesh Srinivasan is and how confident he was when describing it.
Here is the video clip that Andrew Yang, who most of you might recognize from his the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries, interview with Ramesh Srinivasan:
Why and how does Google show different people different search results? Now on https://t.co/PjWTwI77T1 Prof Ramesh Srinivasan @rameshmedia author of “Beyond the Valley” talks social media and democracy in the developing world, data rights, online echo chambers, and more. pic.twitter.com/PfcpOFkHwi
— Andrew Yang🧢⬆️🇺🇸 (@AndrewYang) March 8, 2022
As you can hear, Ramesh saying “so when they [Google] started doing this personalization stuff, what happened is we became googled and we became googled not based on sort of a sort of some sort of neutral notion of relevance but based on what would grab our attention. And the way that works, which I think is really interesting, is it’s all based on correlation. So you know if you Andrew yang have looked at you know a million web pages and I have all this data about your engagement on those different web pages which we call documents in the information sciences and then I have very similar profile to you it will recommend content to me based on correlation mapping.”
He goes on but in short, Google does not personalize results like this. Google has been saying for years and years that what personalization it does do is extremely light and is mostly (a) location based personalization and (b) immediate previous search personalization. So if you are in NYC and search for pizza, Google will show you pizza stores near you. If you first searched for football and then searched for Panthers, Google might show you the football team over the animal. But Google has been saying it doesn’t use personalization in a way that creates filter bubbles.
So Danny Sullivan responded on Twitter to this saying “Our search results at Google are not personalized in the way that’s described. Two people searching for the same thing in the same location will largely see the same results.”
Our search results at Google are not personalized in the way that’s described. Two people searching for the same thing in the same location will largely see the same results. This explains more: https://t.co/dc0Qbjp8JL
— Danny Sullivan (@dannysullivan) March 8, 2022
We don’t have one single algorithm that runs. We’re pretty transparent about general things our systems aim for — our How Search Works site is a good place to start: https://t.co/O65v1PTehr and see especially https://t.co/OfHNBK6oHl
— Danny Sullivan (@dannysullivan) March 8, 2022
There’s also content we share in these places:https://t.co/MPfQyYiDFOhttps://t.co/msqEFlIykD
— Danny Sullivan (@dannysullivan) March 8, 2022
I’m sorry you found those results from that search in 2017 not useful. But the assumption you made in that article that the results were somehow uniquely tailored to your interests — that’s not how Search results are generated.
— Danny Sullivan (@dannysullivan) March 8, 2022
Yes, personalization, can mean many different things if we take the term outside of Google’s opaque definition of such. Location, language, etc. are all examples of a different level of personalization from one standpoint. But again the point made in the article stands.
— Ramesh Srinivasan (@rameshmedia) March 8, 2022
Yes again that is how Google defines personalization but the term has a range of other meanings for the rest of us. I look fwd to hearing from your colleague/s so Google can communicate more clearly with the public on these issues.
— Ramesh Srinivasan (@rameshmedia) March 8, 2022
There was a time in 2007 Google tried personalization in a deeper way but that didn’t last too long and Google discontinued it because they didn’t find it useful for search ranking purposes.
Forum discussion at Twitter.
SEARCHENGINES
Daily Search Forum Recap: April 17, 2024
Here is a recap of what happened in the search forums today, through the eyes of the Search Engine Roundtable and other search forums on the web.
The Google March core update still is causing volatility and it is deepening. Google may make changes to the crawl stats report in Search Console. Google Search Console now shows unused ownership tokens. Google Maps will drop the review drafts. Google Add added generative AI for image generate for Demand Gen campaigns. Google Search is testing more sitelinks designs.
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Deepening Google Core Ranking Volatility Hits Yesterday & Today
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Google Search Console Adds Unused Ownership Tokens
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New Google Ads AI Generated Image Tool For Demand Gen Campaigns
Google Ads announced that Demand Gen campaigns are getting generative AI tools to create image assets. This is rolling out to advertisers around the world in English with more languages to come later this year, Google said. -
Google Tests Horizontal Lines For Sitelinks & People Also Ask
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Google Maps No Longer Will Support Draft Reviews
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Doogler In Google Play Area
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Daily Search Forum Recap: April 16, 2024
Here is a recap of what happened in the search forums today, through the eyes of the Search Engine Roundtable and other search forums on the web.
Google will fight the site reputation abuse spam both algorithmically and with manual actions. Google is testing thumbs-up and down in product carousels. Google Ads similar product carousel is being tested. Google Search updated its image documentation. Google AdSense has a new ad format named ad intents.
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Google Will Fight Site Reputation Abuse Spam Both With Manual Actions & Algorithms
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Google Search Tests Thumbs Up/Down Buttons In Product Grid Results
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Google Ads “Similar Product” Carousel
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Clarification: Google Search Supports Images Referenced From src Attribute
Google has clarified in its image search help documentation that images are only extracted from the src attribute of img tags in Google Search. This is not new, but Google decided to update its documentation based on some questions it received about the topic. -
Google AdSense New Ad Intents Formats – Links & Anchors In Content
Google AdSense announced a new auto ads format named “Ad intents.” Ad intents places links and anchors showing organic search results with ads into existing text and pages on your site related to your content. Yea, it takes your content, and hyperlinks it to the Google search results. -
3-Wheel Tricycle At Google
Google’s Ann Arbor office has this 3-wheel tricycle that some Googlers have used over the years to get around the office. This one looks like the hot pink Huffy brand. I spotted this recently on Instagram but the photo is from 2016.
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- It does have a title, and it loads a HTML page – so this seems normal. The JavaScript doesn’t seem to be loading well, so if you’re the site owner, I’d suggest reading ou, John Mueller on X
- News! Google Ads removed in some accounts the possibility to hover over a daily budget to edit it. You need to hover now and then click on “Edit budget”. Why changing things to less user-friendly ones, Thomas Eccel on X
- The time has come! Registration for the Zürich Product Experts Summit has now opened for eligible PEs in Europe. Virtual registration will follow in May. Check your inboxes and the KB for more details., Google’s Product Experts Program on X
- When I want to add positive search terms as exact match, I first add them quickly as broad, then bulk switch them over to exact match. lately I’ve been getting this error and the only way I can switch the keywords is by using Ads Editor., Greg on X
- Yeah, quantity says nothing about quality and even less about user value or business value. Sometimes the solution to a “crawl budget problem” is not to make the server faster & search engines, John Mueller on X
- Which the best method to link to the alternative language of a website, WebmasterWorld
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Daily Search Forum Recap: April 15, 2024
Here is a recap of what happened in the search forums today, through the eyes of the Search Engine Roundtable and other search forums on the web.
There was more Google core update volatility over the weekend. Google defended its statements about forums ranking for almost everything. Google responded to The Verge’s printer article mocking its search results. Google AdSense publishers are seeing really big earnings drops. Google crawl budget is allocated on the hostname level. Google threatened California over its new proposed link tax bill with pulling investments and its news results from the state.
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Weekend Google Core Ranking Volatility Taxing Site Owners
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Google Responds To The Verge Mocking Its Search Rankings For Best Printer
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Google Goes On Defensive On Its Search Quality & Forum Results Statements
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Google Threatens California: Tests Removing Links To Publishers & Pauses Investments
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Google Crawl Budget Is Allocated By Hostname
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Google AdSense Publishers Reporting Huge RPM Earnings Drops
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Google Android Figurine Display Case
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- I created a chatbot with the Google Webmasters Documentation. Based on the current data, the tool has: 1. Over 15,000 requests 2. Over 3,000 users 3. I received support from @JohnMu and @g33konaut from Google itself, Dido Grigorov on X
- I am the new Paid Media News Writer of @sengineland ! Such an honour – can’t believe it! I get to work with the likes of @rustybrick and @MrDannyGoodwin!! Dreams do come tru, Anu Adegbola on X
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