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12 Marketing Podcasts Worth Your Time
What makes one marketing podcast better than the next?
Its ability to get me thinking—and when its hosts are equal parts entertaining and knowledgeable.
To choose my favorites, I unearthed some marketing podcast playlists on Spotify, then gave each of them a listen. I also tuned in to popular series, such as Neil Patel’s Marketing School, during my commutes.
Here’s what made the cut, in no particular order (remember to cast your vote!):
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1. Everyone Hates Marketers
Host: Louis Grenier
Topics: Marketing, branding, product marketing, marketing psychology, content marketing, CRO
Frequency: Weekly
Website: Swipe Files
Listen on: Website, Spotify, Apple Podcasts
Famed entrepreneur Gary Vaynerchuk may have made a good point when he said marketers ruin everything.
But marketing doesn’t deserve its bad rep, and HotJar alumnus Louis Grenier is determined to change that through Everyone Hates Marketers.
His weekly episodes cover evergreen topics such as customer research, marketing strategy, and brand positioning—with the aim of teaching marketers how to generate solid results without resorting to sleazy, spammy tactics.
Past guests include Joe Glover of online community The Marketing Meetup and Rand Fishkin, founder of market research tool SparkToro and co-founder of Moz.
2. Marketing School
Hosts: Neil Patel, Eric Siu
Topics: All things marketing
Frequency: Daily
Listen on: Website, Spotify, Stitcher, SoundCloud, Apple Podcasts
In this podcast, Neil Patel and Eric Siu—CEO of marketing agency Single Grain—tackle all manner of marketing topics.
What’s impressive is that they’ve over 1,900 episodes under their belt, with each lasting roughly six minutes or less. This makes the episodes digestible and easy to listen to on the go.
I particularly like how on-trend and timely the podcast is. In recent episodes, the duo discusses NFTs in relation to marketing and why Web3 is the future of marketing.
It’s a great way to stay on the pulse of trends. Plus, the information learned makes for an excellent conversation starter.
3. Perpetual Traffic
Hosts: Ralph Burns, Kaslim Aslam
Topics: Paid marketing, social media, content marketing, SEO
Frequency: Twice weekly
Listen on: Website, Spotify, Stitcher, Apple Podcasts
As its name suggests, Perpetual Traffic focuses on how to drive more traffic to your business. The podcast covers all things related to digital marketing, including Facebook ads and social media marketing, SEO, and how to sell high-ticket products.
If you’re feeling overwhelmed by the 300+ episodes in the podcast’s repository, we recommend starting with this one. In it, Ahrefs’ Michal Pecánek discusses how the company employed SEO strategies to set up its Wikipedia page.
4. Niche Pursuits
Host: Spencer Haws
Topics: Affiliate marketing, SEO
Frequency: Every 7–10 days
Listen on: Website, Spotify, Stitcher, Apple Podcasts
If you’re interested in learning how to earn money through niche affiliate websites, make Niche Pursuits your go-to podcast.
In each episode that roughly spans 60 minutes, host Spencer Haws chats with a niche site owner about their successes, failures, and tactics.
These guest speakers often have wildly similar yet unique stories (oxymoronic, we know!) about growing from 0 to 100K a month or using a job loss as fuel to become a successful affiliate marketer.
Here’s one that makes for a fun starting point:
5. Akimbo
Host: Seth Godin
Topics: Creativity, culture
Frequency: Weekly
Listen on: Website, Spotify, Stitcher, Apple Podcasts
Author and marketer Seth Godin is a household name. In his soothing podcast series, he invites listeners to consider the influence of culture on their lives and how they can change things.
Seth is well positioned to answer these questions too, given he’s penned a slew of popular titles, including “This Is Marketing” and “Permission Marketing.”
But don’t expect to pick up marketing tips or strategies; rather, each episode challenges your beliefs and encourages you to think differently. These are important and underrated skills you can use in marketing, and you’d do well starting here:
6. Everything Is Marketing
Host: Corey Haines
Topics: All things marketing
Frequency: Weekly
Listen on: Website, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Apple Podcasts
You may know Corey Haines as the founder of Swipe Files, an online marketing platform that received our stamp of approval. Beyond its growing online marketing community is Everything Is Marketing, a podcast that began in early 2021 and already has over 50 episodes to its title.
I like the variety of guests featured and topics tackled—from cold email outreach tactics with Laura Lopuch to buying and growing a Shopify SaaS app with Daniel Mitchell and Andrew Gazdecki.
Here’s one featuring Benjamin Shapiro, who runs The Martech Podcast (this also made the list).
7. The Digital Marketing Podcast
Hosts: Ciaran Rogers, Daniel Rowles
Topics: All things digital marketing
Frequency: Weekly
Listen on: Website, Spotify, Soundcloud, Apple Podcasts, Stitcher
This ad-free podcast began over a decade ago, so there’s plenty of content to sift through. But first, a backgrounder: Daniel Rowles is a speaker and CEO of online learning platform Target Internet, and Ciaran Rogers is a digital marketing specialist and trainer.
Collectively, their banter and insightful discussions make for an entertaining listen. Some recent topics explored include app store optimization, audience intelligence tools, and my personal favorite: the toxicity of social media, featuring a case study of global beauty brand Lush.
Listen to it here:
8. The Smart Marketer Podcast
Hosts: Molly Pittman, Ezra Firestone, John Grimshaw
Topics: Social media marketing, digital marketing, content marketing, email marketing
Frequency: Weekly to twice weekly
Listen on: Website, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Stitcher
The name of this podcast sounds like a bold claim. But thankfully, each episode always leaves me feeling a little smarter.
Hosts Molly Pittman, Ezra Firestone, and John Grimshaw are veteran marketers and educators in their own right, so you can expect lots of personal sharing on how they each found success.
But their conversations can get fairly technical. Past episodes have explored paid ad strategies, business book recommendations, and email marketing strategies. Hence, we think this podcast is a better fit for mid-level marketers and up.
Here’s a fun one in which Molly and John interview co-host Ezra on how he built his ecommerce brand BOOM! by Cindy Joseph into a multimillion-dollar business and why he partially sold it.
9. Duct Tape Marketing Podcast
Host: John Jantsch
Topics: Branding, content marketing, entrepreneurship, SEO
Frequency: Twice weekly
Listen on: Website, Spotify, Stitcher, Apple Podcasts
John Jantsch is quite the influencer, as you may know. And his podcast series is an extension of his consultancy firm, Duct Tape Marketing.
Each episode spans around 15 minutes and focuses mostly on business marketing tips, tactics, and resources, such as:
- Building a strategic partner network.
- Branding with purpose.
- Creative ways to fuel your referral engine.
These discussions, along with the slew of influential guest speakers like Seth (who made an appearance in our previous entry) and Kara Goldin, make the show worth every minute.
Not every episode is marketing focused either. This episode looks at how you can recultivate a sense of wonder in your life, which reminds me of Akimbo.
10. The Martech Podcast
Host: Benjamin Shapiro
Topics: SEO, tech SEO, content marketing, mobile app marketing
Frequency: Daily
Listen on: Website, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Stitcher
Benjamin, whom we mentioned earlier, is kinda obsessed with marketing. In addition to The Martech Podcast, he also hosts Voices of Search, which we featured in our best SEO podcasts roundup.
This series is useful if you’re interested in growing your general marketing knowledge. Expect to pick up tips on boosting your content production strategy through SaaS, scaling business operations, and mobile app marketing.
Despite the technical nature of these topics, each episode is suitable for even “green” marketers and opens with a “Marketing Minute” segment featuring a 60-second speed chat with an industry expert.
Have a listen here:
11. Marketing Speak
Host: Stephan Spencer
Topics: SEO, digital marketing, content marketing, copywriting
Frequency: Weekly
Listen on: Website, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher
Stephan Spencer is a knowledgeable SEO, author, and strategist. Naturally, his expertise is aptly displayed in his podcast.
You’ll find over 250 hours’ worth of content, with each episode averaging 60 minutes. Some general topics covered include how to master content marketing, SEO strategies, and storytelling in video marketing.
A roster of great guests has been featured on the show, from Eli Schwartz discussing the art of product-led SEO to growth marketer Dennis Goedegebuure’s deep dive into data-driven storytelling in marketing.
In fact, the latter is a personal favorite—so have a listen.
12. My First Million
Hosts: Shaan Puri, Sam Parr
Topics: Entrepreneurship, general marketing
Frequency: Twice weekly
Listen on: Website, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, YouTube
While not strictly marketing focused, we like the conversations on successful entrepreneurs in My First Million. A plus point: It’s produced by The Hustle, the well-loved business and tech newsletter (which HubSpot later acquired) founded by co-host Sam Parr.
Final thoughts
As an alternative podcast strategy, pick out an industry expert you admire and do a little sleuthing to find the podcasts they’ve guest-spoken on. This way, you can easily learn from someone you respect.
Did I miss any good marketing podcasts? Ping me on Twitter.
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Stop Overcomplicating Things. Entity SEO is Just SEO
“Entity SEO”.
Sounds scary, doesn’t it? Not only does the word “entity” sound foreign, it feels like yet another thing to add to your never-ending SEO to-do list. You’re barely afloat when it comes to SEO, but ohgawd here comes one more new thing to dedicate your scarce resources.
I have good news for you though: You don’t have to do entity SEO.
Why? Because you’re probably already doing it.
Let’s start from the beginning.
In 2012, Google announced the Knowledge Graph. The Knowledge Graph is a knowledge base of entities and the relationships between them.
An entity is any object or concept that can be distinctly identified. This includes tangibles like people, places, and organizations, and intangibles like colors, concepts, and feelings.
For example, the footballer Federico Chiesa is an entity:
So is the famous British-Indian restaurant Dishoom:
Entities are connected by edges, which describe the relationships between them.
Introducing the Knowledge Graph helped improve Google’s search results because:
- Google could better understand search intent — People search for the same thing but describe it in different ways. Google can now understand this and serve the same results.
- It reduced reliance on keyword matching — Matching the number of keywords on a page doesn’t guarantee relevance; also it prevents crafty SEOs from keyword stuffing.
- It reduced Google’s computational load — The Internet is virtually infinite and Google simply cannot understand the meaning of every word, paragraph, webpage, and website. Entities provide a structure where Google can improve understanding while minimizing load.
For example, even though we didn’t mention the actor’s name, Google can understand we’re looking for Harrison Ford and therefore shows his filmography:
That’s because Hans Solo and Harrison Ford are closely connected entities in the Knowledge Graph. Google shows Knowledge Graph data in SERP features like Knowledge Panels and Knowledge Cards.
With this knowledge, we can then define entity SEO as optimizing your website or webpages for such entities.
If Google has moved to entity-oriented search, then entity SEO is just SEO. As my colleague Patrick Stox says, “The entity identification part is more on Google’s end than on our end.”
I mean, if you look at the ‘entity SEO’ tactics you find in blog posts, you’ll discover that they’re mostly just SEO tactics:
- Earn a Wikipedia page
- Create a Google Business Profile
- Add internal links
- Create all digital assets Google is representing on the page (e.g., videos, images, Twitter)
- Develop topical authority
- Include semantically related words on a page
- Add schema markup
Let’s be honest. If you’re serious about SEO and are investing in it, then it’s likely you’re already doing most of the above.
Regardless of entities, wouldn’t you want a Wikipedia page? After all, it confers benefits beyond “entity SEO”. Brand recognition, backlinks from one of the world’s most authoritative sites (albeit nofollow)—any company would want that.
If you’re a local business, you’ve probably created a Google Business Profile. Adding internal links is just SEO 101.
And billions of blistering barnacles, creating all digital assets Google wants to see, like images and videos, is practically marketing 101. If you’re a Korean recipe site and want to be associated with the kimchi jjigae entity, wouldn’t you already know you need to make a video and have photos of the cooking process?
When I started my breakdance site years ago, I knew nothing about SEO and content marketing but I still knew I needed to make YouTube videos. Because guess what? It’s hard to learn breakdancing from words. I don’t think I needed an entity SEO to tell me that.
Topical authority is an SEO concept where a website aims to become the go-to authority on one or more topics. Call me crazy, but it feels like blogging 101. Read most guides on how to start a blog and I’m sure you’ll find a subheading called “niche down”. And once you niche down, it’s inevitable you’ll create content surrounding that one topic.
If I start a breakdance site, what are the chances I’ll write about contemporary dance or pop art? Pretty low.
In fact, topical authority is similar to the Wiki Strategy, which Nat Eliason wrote about in 2017. There wasn’t a single mention of entities. It was just the right way to make content for the Internet.
I think the biggest problem here isn’t entities versus keywords or that topical authority is a brand-new strategy. It’s simply that many SEOs are driven by short-sightedness or the wrong incentives.
You can target a whole bunch of unrelated keywords that have high search volume, gain incredible amounts of search traffic, and brag about how successful you are as an SEO.
Some of the pages sending HubSpot the most search traffic has barely anything to do with their core product. A page on how to type the shrug emoji? The most famous quotes?
This is not to single out HubSpot—I’m sure they have their reasons, as explored by Ryan here—but to illustrate that many companies do the exact same thing. And when Google stops rewarding this behavior, all of a sudden companies realise they do need to write about their core competencies. They need to “build topical authority”.
I don’t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater because I do see value in the last two ‘entity SEO tactics’. But again, if you’re doing something similar to the Wiki Strategy for your site, chances are you would have naturally included entities or semantically relevant words without thinking too much about it. It’s difficult to create content about kimchi jjigae without mentioning kimchi, pork, or gochujang.
However, to prevent the curse of knowledge or simply to avoid blindspots, checking for important subtopics you might have missed is useful. At Ahrefs, we run a page-level content gap analysis and look out for subtopics:
For example, if we ran a content gap analysis on “inbound marketing” for the top three ranking pages, we see that we might need to include these subtopics:
- What is inbound marketing
- Inbound marketing strategy
- Inbound marketing examples
- Inbound marketing tools
Finally, adding schema markup makes the most sense because it’s how Google recognizes entities and better understands the content of web pages. But if it’s just one new tactic—which I believe is already part of ‘standard’ SEO and you might already be doing it—then there’s no need to create a category to define the “new era” (voice SEO, where art thou?)
Final thoughts
Two years ago, someone on Reddit asked for an SEO workflow that utilized super advanced SEO methodologies:
The top answer: None of the above.
When our Chief Marketing Officer Tim Soulo tweeted about this Reddit thread, he got similar replies too:
And even though I don’t know him, this is a person after my own heart:
You don’t have to worry about entity SEO. If you have passion for a topic and are creating high-quality content that fulfills what people are looking for, then you’re likely already doing “entity SEO”.
Just follow this meme: Make stuff people like.
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Assigning The Right Conversion Values To Make Value-Based Bidding Work For Lead Gen
Last week, we tackled setting your data strategy for value-based bidding.
The next key is to assign the right values for the conversion actions that are important to your business.
We know this step is often seen as trickier for lead gen-focused businesses than, say, ecommerce businesses.
How much is a whitepaper download, newsletter signup, or online quote request worth to your business? While you may not have exact figures, that’s OK. What you do know is they aren’t all valued equally.
Check out the quick 2-minute video in our series below, and then keep reading as we dive deeper into assigning conversion values to optimize your value-based bidding strategy.
Understanding Conversion Values
First, let’s get on the same page about what “conversion value” means.
A conversion refers to a desired action taken by a user, such as filling out a lead form, making a purchase, or signing up for a newsletter.
Conversion value is simply a numerical representation of how much each of these conversions is worth to your business.
Estimating The Value Of Each Conversion
Ideally, you’d have a precise understanding of how much revenue each conversion generates.
However, we understand that this is not always feasible.
In such cases, it’s perfectly acceptable to use “proxy values” – estimations that align with your business priorities.
The important thing is to ensure that these proxy values reflect the relative importance of different conversions to your business.
For example, a whitepaper download may indicate less “value” than a product demo registration based on what you understand about your past customer acquisition efforts.
Establishing Proxy Values
Let’s explore some scenarios to illustrate how you might establish proxy values.
Take the event florist example mentioned in the video. You’ve seen that clients who provide larger guest counts or budgets in their online quote requests tend to result in more lucrative events.
Knowing this, you can assign higher proxy values to these leads compared to those with smaller guest counts or budgets.
Similarly, if you’re an auto insurance advertiser, you might leverage your existing lead scoring system as a basis for proxy values. Leads with higher scores, indicating a greater likelihood of a sale, would naturally be assigned higher values.
You don’t need to have exact value figures to make value-based bidding effective. Work with your sales and finance teams to help identify the key factors that influence lead quality and value.
This will help you understand which conversion actions indicate a higher likelihood of becoming a customer – and even which actions indicate the likelihood of becoming a higher-value customer for your business.
Sharing Conversion Values With Google Ads
Once you’ve determined the proxy values for your conversion actions, you’ll need to share that information with Google Ads. This enables the system to prioritize actions that drive the most value for your business.
To do this, go to the Summary tab on the Conversions page (under the Goals icon) in your account. From there, you can edit your conversion actions settings to input the value for each. More here.
As I noted in the last episode, strive for daily uploads of your conversion data, if possible, to ensure Google Ads has the most up-to-date information by connecting your sources via Google Ads Data Manager or the Google Ads API.
Fine-Tuning With Conversion Value Rules
To add another layer of precision, you can utilize conversion value rules.
Conversion value rules allow you to adjust the value assigned to a conversion based on specific attributes or conditions that aren’t already indicated in your account. For example, you may have different margins for different types of customers.
Instead of every lead form submission having the same static value you’ve assigned, you can tell Google Ads which leads are more valuable to your business based on three factors:
- Location: You might adjust conversion values based on the geographical location of the user. For example, if users in a particular region tend to convert at a higher rate or generate more revenue.
- Audience: You can tailor conversion values based on specific audience segments, such as first-party data or Google audience lists.
- Device: Consider adjusting conversion values based on the device the user is using. Perhaps users on mobile devices convert at a higher rate – you could increase their conversion value to reflect that.
When implementing these rules, your value-based bidding strategies (maximize conversion value with an optional target ROAS) will take them into account and optimize accordingly.
Conversion value rules can be set at the account or campaign levels. They are supported in Search, Shopping, Display, and Performance Max campaigns.
Google Ads will prioritize showing your ads to users predicted to be more likely to generate those leads you value more.
Conversion Value Rules And Reporting
These rules also impact how you report conversion value in your account.
For example, you may value a lead at $5, but know that these leads from Californian users are typically worth twice as much. With conversion value rules, you could specify this, and Google Ads would multiply values for users from California by two and report that accordingly in the conversion volume column in your account.
Additionally, you can segment your conversion value rules in Campaigns reporting to see the impact by selecting Conversions, then Value rule adjustment.
There are three segment options:
- Original value (rule applied): Total original value of conversions, which then had a value rule applied.
- Original value (no rule applied): Total recorded value of conversions that did not have a value rule applied.
- Audience, Location, Device, or No Condition: The net adjustment when value rules were applied.
You can add the conversion value rules column to your reporting as well. These columns are called “All value adjustment” and “Value adjustment.”
Also note that reporting for conversion value rules applies to all conversions, not just the ones in the ‘conversions’ column.
Conversion Value Rule Considerations
You can also create more complex rules by combining conditions.
For example, if you observe that users from Texas who have also subscribed to your newsletter are exceptionally valuable, you could create a rule that increases their conversion value even further.
When using conversion value rules, keep in mind:
- Start Simple: Begin by implementing a few basic conversion value rules based on your most critical lead attributes.
- Additive Nature of Rules: Conversion value rules are additive. If multiple rules apply to the same user, their effects will be combined.
- Impact on Reporting: The same adjusted value that’s determined at bidding time is also used for reporting.
- Regular Review for Adjustment: As your business evolves and you gather more data, revisit your conversion values and rules to ensure they remain aligned with your goals.
Putting The Pieces Together
Assigning the right values to your conversions is a crucial step in maximizing the effectiveness of your value-based bidding strategies.
By providing Google Ads with accurate and nuanced conversion data, you empower the system to make smarter decisions, optimize your bids, and ultimately drive more valuable outcomes for your business.
Up next, we’ll talk about determining which bid strategy is right for you. Stay tuned!
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Expert Embedding Techniques for SEO Success
AI Overviews are here, and they’re making a big impact in the world of SEO. Are you up to speed on how to maximize their impact?
Watch on-demand as we dive into the fascinating world of Google AI Overviews and their functionality, exploring the concept of embeddings and demystifying the complex processes behind them.
We covered which measures play a crucial role in how Google AI assesses the relevance of different pieces of content, helping to rank and select the most pertinent information for AI-generated responses.
You’ll see:
- An understanding of the technical side of embeddings & how they work, enabling efficient information retrieval and comparison.
- Insights into AI Content curation, including the criteria and algorithms used to rank and choose the most relevant snippets for AI-generated overviews.
- A visualization of the step-by-step process of how AI overviews are constructed, with a clear perspective on the decision-making process behind AI-generated content.
With Scott Stouffer from Market Brew, we explored their AI Overviews Visualizer, a tool that deconstructs AI Overviews and provides an inside look at how Snippets and AI Overviews are curated.
If you’re looking to clarify misconceptions around AI, or looking to face the challenge of optimizing your own content for the AI Overview revolution, then be sure to watch this webinar.
View the slides below, or check out the full presentation for all the details.
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