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Hi and welcome everybody. I’m, again, excited to have you on the show, Ross. And Bailey, welcome. Bailey’s been on previous seasons, but welcome back Bailey. And we are going to unpack blogging. I know when I hear blogging, I think of travel blogs and personal blogs, recipes, home design tips. So break it down for me. It’s so much more than that now. And obviously we’re here to talk about it in a business context. So let’s back up. Tell me how did blogging come around? When did this start?
It seems like it’s been forever, but it really hasn’t been, it’s been 10, 15 years. I mean, if we go back to early days of the internet and… I don’t know about you Ross, but I had a Zanga and a live journal and things that we probably should never ever look up.
These probably still exist, right?
[crosstalk 00:01:09] and things like that. Altavista way back in the day. I’m a little older, so I’ve got a lot of skeletons in my closet.
That’s kind of where it started though, is just people journaling online. And then right around 2005 to about 2009, I’d say is the era of personal blogging. And that was where we started seeing everybody had a blog and they were just putting their thoughts out there. Some people were actually using it for, like you said, Megan, putting together recipes or sharing their travel stories, updates on their families, advice for other moms, things like that. And so it was really interesting because businesses and marketers saw the success of those blogs and said, “Hmm, we should do that.” And that’s kind of what led into, I’d say about 2010 to 2014, the content farming began. And that’s probably most noticeable with, I don’t know, Buzzfeed ever heard of them?
These businesses, these media companies, they were hiring writers and journalists, all of whom were struggling because of the recession. And they said, “Come produce content for us, produce just a lot of content.” And so it was so much quantity. There was just content everywhere and it was not good, it was so bad. It was a one to two minute read, lots of listicles, it’d be five tips, and none of the tips were substantial. Or it would be like, “Look at these gifts that I found from somewhere else on the internet.” And it was just kind of the wild west for a while. We started to see the tail end of that, where guest blogging became a thing where companies would invite people who were experts to come write for them. Sometimes they weren’t experts. Sometimes they were being paid, which is a no, no. We had also the Google Plus authorship era, which Ross, this is [inaudible 00:03:15]
When poor Google Plus thought they were going to be a social media network and Google was actually trying to set its search engine result pages where, if you were a writer and you had your blog tied to your Google Plus account, you could actually show up above other accounts.
[inaudible 00:03:37] your picture.
With your picture.
The short lived period where your author biography, your picture would appear right next to the article. It was a scary time.
And then that went away almost immediately, which is [inaudible 00:03:52]. But then we got into this 2014 to 2018 ish period, which I think we could all agree is kind of the early days of the strategic SEO content writing. That was when we really saw Google started to release a bunch of algorithm updates that were pushing for high quality content. And they said like, “We’re not going to play the games we’ve been doing for the last couple years. We need you to actually produce stuff that people want to read and that provides value.” And so that’s where keyword research started becoming a big thing. People had been doing that longer than 2014, but the tools really started coming out and the methods and the tactics started to getting shared. And it was also a time when we saw keyword stuffing quite a bit, which-
It’s like, “Put home organization in there 400 times it’s a 500 word post, but sh, its fine”. And so that’s kind of what has led us into the current period, which I like to think of this as the Google dominion phase. You know how when people talk about like, how do you define art? And they’re like, well, they decide. Google is the they. Google says, this is content. This is bad content. And it’s where we’ve seen a lot of really like strategic content marketing happening through blog content. You’re seeing people invest in audience analysis and competitor research, keyword research and implementation. Topical authority. Because that’s now a big thing with Google where they’re like, stay in your lane and only talk about the things that matter to your business. Don’t just come up with random content. And we’re also seeing topic clusters and like really these big kind of guides and resources being built out. And Ross, I know that’s something that you focus on a lot here too.
Yeah, definitely. I’m just going back to a point you made about the algorithm updates kind of like a 2014, 2015, there was two major ones called Penguin and Panda that were literally looking at content and links. And they were obviously intrinsically linked together, especially with the guest posts and the guest blogging that you mentioned. And that was a really kind of a key phase for content and looking at how people were kind of gaming the system. So you were writing that guest post and putting specific links back to your content that might not have been contextually sound, that what you were linking to had nothing to do with what you were writing about. But at that point in time, it was working and there was no penalties for it, even though there was no contextual linking between what you were writing about and what you were linking to, it was still a tactic that worked.
They were like, there’s a link. Okay.
Exactly. So that was really prevalent in the early teens. But with the advent of those two algorithm updates, that put an end to it pretty much overnight, if you had a whole blog network of links that were linking to your site that were not contextual, you were falling foul of the algorithm update. And similarly, if you had thin content, if you were writing those five point listicles that Bailey mentioned that basically had nothing in it, other than five bullet points, Google didn’t like it, you were going to fall out of the search. So it was really a key moment when those two algorithm updates converged, and it really forced people to actually rethink everything they were doing content wise because what was happening then couldn’t continue. You had to really reevaluate and really start to dial in exactly what you were writing about and start to become those topic authorities and write about what was your area of expertise and then gain those links naturally to that content instead of building them unnaturally by linking through guest post and guest blogs, et cetera.
Yeah. I think it’s shifted dramatically from the like, how can I game the system, where like, no, how can you educate your audience or like engage them or provide them of something of value. That’s what’s going to rank well for you or that’s what’s going to bring the relevant audience to your site.
Yeah. And it was kind of a shift from writing for the search engines to writing for the end user, because at that point you were writing. So as Bailey mentioned, like the keyword stuffing, you were writing for the search engine, because you wanted your post to show up for those keywords. So you were stuffing it with those keywords, thinking that Google would see it and think, okay, well this has got 50 mentions of home organizations. So I’m going to rank you at number two. And that just did not work. It didn’t fly. So having to like refocus what you were writing on, how you approached it and who your target audience actually was, was a lot more focused post those algorithm updates because you had to actually write for the user intent, you had to write for what people were looking for, not what you thought the search engines were looking for.
So it was a fundamental shift in kind of thoughts and thought patterns and how you went around your keyword research and your topic research. You couldn’t just churn out a whole slew of articles on basically nothing and then get links that way, you had to target it. You had to write supplementary content around your main thoughts and ideas so you just didn’t have one post, you would write 10 posts, all about the similar topics that you were writing about, just so that you could try and convince the search engines that you actually were an authority on this topic. And you knew what you were talking about it. So they could then give back to you by ranking your posts higher in the search.
Which actually makes sense. Hey Google, thank you. So one of my favorite myths for you guys to squash out for our listeners is, keyword research is dead, then you’re saying, I don’t need to do keyword research, right?
Very much still need it, because that’s the thing is, where we are now is, it’s a better blend of trying to appease the search engine and also trying to appease the humans. More so the humans, because obviously if you’re a business and you’re blogging, like the end goal is to get more customers, the search engine doesn’t buy stuff from you. So they are literally just a channel for you to reach your customers. And so we have to approach all of the content that we put together for blogs, with that in mind. We need to understand how the search engine works and how the algorithms display our content, so that way we can get in the places we need to be, but we’re ultimately trying to provide good resources, good answers for people who are searching for those answers and those resources.
Yeah. Well, I mean times have changed. I look at how COVID has been like groundhogs day for me, but both Burt being within the last year, like Google’s understanding what we’re saying. So the keyword research isn’t so much like, Hey, I’m going to use this keyword and then variations of it, like home organization, how to home organize, like all of these variations. Google’s like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know it means the same thing, but what are you talking about and its ability to assess the context around these keywords and the overall context of the article for ranking versus just how many times did you say this keyword.
Yeah. And Google’s been very open in saying they’re using machine learning and AI as an underpinning of their search engine results pages. It’s kind of servicing the queries, but it’s kind of looking at it and how it can best show the answers for that query by using machine learning. So having kind of a broader approach to the keyword research and the content writing kind of helps in that. And it kind of gives you that semantic understanding. It’s not just one particular keyword, it’s more of a keyword theme, a topic that you’re writing about instead of trying to attain that specific keyword.
Yeah, definitely. So give me some examples, who is blogging bus for now? Not everyone needs a blog.
No. Yeah. We run into this a lot with clients, they’ll come to us and say like, Hey, I think I should have a blog. And the first thing we want to do is, okay, why? Like, are you thinking about blogging in terms of like the 2010 blogging, because that’s usually what it is. And we’re like, we don’t do that. That’s old stuff, old news, but we want to look at their goals a lot of times. So, if someone comes to us and says, I’m trying to get more foot traffic to my small local business, blogging’s probably not going to help there. Not directly. You might want to invest that money into local business listings. But if a company comes to us and says, I want to drive more website traffic, I want to push my competitors down in search engine results pages. I want to be an authority on this subject or I want to get out some good PR about my business. These are things that blogging can help with.
A blog can do so many different things. It could be your brand awareness channel. It could be kind of like your resources for your customers. It could be literally just a SEO strategy for you. So it kind of depends on what people need. It’s not a one size fits all solution. You know, if you have like a water treatment facility and you’re like, I need blogging. I don’t think you do. Now if you’re a retailer, hmm. Maybe. Maybe, what do you sell?
Or a [inaudible 00:13:54], like you mentioned that use case too. So we’re going to help you learn how to fully leverage our tool and we’re going to do it like throughout these articles or as a resource center to help you troubleshoot or how to help you maximize this. Yeah, there’s all kinds of use cases for that. Awesome. So this can be used in many different ways to incorporated into a marketing strategy, where do some businesses start? How do they incorporate blogging into a solid marketing strategy?
I think there are kind of three major outcomes you would look at with this, where one would be your brand awareness. So that’s really just like, I am blogging to get my company’s name out there because whatever product or service I have is not something that people need every day. It might be something they only need once a year or couple times a month, and you want to make sure that you’re getting in front of those people and just kind of planting that little seed in their head of like, oh, this is a good business. They know what they’re talking about. So then when they do need that service or that product, you’re the first one they think of. So that’s kind of where a lot of people use their blog is like recruiting, company news, just kind of high level, Here’s what we do type of articles.
And so that’s always a good route to go. Then there’s kind of more of like the resource type where it’s essentially like a way to convince people to choose your business. Let’s say you’re a bank, for example, and I’m a customer and I’m looking for a mortgage lender. If I go to your website and I’m looking at your services and I’m like, well, this website looks like every other bank I’ve checked out. You know, what’s the difference? What more can they offer me? But then I see that you have a really good blog that has like financial advice for me and tips for how I can get out of debt or how I can save up for like retirement or things like that. That could be a convincing tool for me. That could say like, huh, the competitors don’t have that information. This bank knows what they’re talking about. I feel like maybe like if I do business with them, then they can be a good resource for me.
And then the kind of last one, this one is not as common, more common with like retailers, but this would be where you can actually use blogging for direct purchases. So think about things like wire cutter, where you can have sales happening within the blog post, you can put together a list of like, here is the hottest fall trends for fashion, or here are the best hiking boots. And if you sell those products, you can literally list them with a purchase this product button and get a direct conversion from that post. So there’s quite a wide range of ways you can use blogging. And then of course, I mean, all of these ones are part of an SEO strategy because they can all help your name and your website get into Google search results more often.
Yeah. And a lot of these different posts actually align themselves nicely with different search features that you can try and attain for. So think about like a how to post. You’ve got a how to use the certain product or how to like build a vegetable garden, a raised bed or something like that. You could actually list out those steps one by one in a blog post and mark them up with schema or how to schema. And those steps could actually appear in the search. Again, pushing down competitors, putting your brand in front of people and giving you more real estate the search engine. Similarly with like FAQs, you can miss those out. So people can have frequently asked questions and you can type that into the search. And you could be there. You could literally be there with your answer in the search themselves without them having to go to your page.
And if they want more, then the link is there for [inaudible 00:17:52] they click through to go to that page to see more. So you can use these blog posts as a holistic strategy. You can get more than just eyes and visibility on the website itself. You can actually get your brand and your visibility in the search. So people see it like directly in front of them when they’re doing the search, they don’t have to get to your website to see your brand or to see your answer. You can get that directly in the search.
Yeah. Not to mention voice search because that’s where a lot of these long tell queries, the questions are being pulled from, they’re being answered by like frequently asked questions or snippets, or like someone’s actual answer. And when Google or Alexa, whoever’s reading it back to you, they’re only reading one answer. So it’s coming from hopefully your blog.
And Google’s getting so much smarter about finding very specific passages within content as well that it will pull out like an answer from. So even if your post covers a wide range of subjects, if you have a very specific answer to something, that could get pulled up into that voice search answer. And so, if you’re not targeting those questions, you’re not like actively doing the research to see, what do people want answers to? What do they want to read? Then blogging is not for you. You need to do that. You need to do it.
Well. Yeah. Google is so super smart. One of the examples I use, it actually comes from personal experience, last week I was looking for, I think my query was temperature for pork. I wanted to know like, how do I not get food poisoning? Like how warm does this need to be? And obviously the other answer that it was like, did you want to know how hot the grill is? It answered it correctly for me. It was like, Hey, don’t quote me on this. You’ll get food poisoning. It gave me the actual answer for like how high my thermometer needed to get. But it was like that question, I get it, is not very specific. And so Google was like, but if you didn’t mean that, like here’s some other articles. And then you can go down the rabbit hole. You’re like, oh, that’s helpful. Oh, that’s helpful. Like, there’s a lot of opportunity to answer specific questions.
And I think that’s a good time to mention that having all these search features is a great thing, but it can also be a negative thing as well. So it’s good to be aware of that. Although it doesn’t necessarily affect your strategy. Google is kind of moving to a zero click strategy where it’s trying to give you the answers instantly right there right then. And we see that with the feature snippets and some of these search features I mentioned, like the FAQs, it’s trying to give you that answer without having to leave Google. It’s trying to keep you in its environment. But with that said, it also gives you an avenue to get those people to your website as well at the same time. So it is worth mentioning that it can lead to a zero click moment. Like yours was how it gave you the temperature. You didn’t have to go any further, but the links are there for people to go further if you want to, but it can lead to some queries that get the direct answer rather than showing your response there and then driving that traffic to the website.
Even still, that could be a very, very great brand awareness tool, even if like someone’s not clicking through, but you constantly have the answers to their questions and they see that and they see your brand name in search engine results because of the content you’ve created on your blog. Like that can be huge. Just that’s very convincing. It’s like, oh wow, that one website, they really know what they’re talking about. I might go check him out.
So blogging can be really intensive. It can be really strategic. I know we’ve touched on AI for example, but back to the basics, like coming out of the deep end, where do business owners start? How can we help them create a strategy that’s manageable?
Yeah. So obviously what Ross and I are talking about here, like Megan mentioned, is getting way into the deep end, because those are things we think about as part of our jobs, but whether you’re doing this on your own or you’re working with an agency to create a content strategy for your blog, the first thing is, like I said, you kind of need to identify that, what are you trying to do? What’s your goal? Drive traffic, get brand awareness, convince people to buy stuff, whatever it is, understand that first. Then, what you want to do is kind of set like a theme or find kind of like some easy topic areas that you can cover as an authority. And just kind of outline those, say like, Hey, we could have a whole sector of just this content and then we could have this and this.
And after you’ve outlined that, then it comes to setting kind of a calendar. This might be a monthly post, a bimonthly, a weekly, a biweekly, daily, however much content you think you can reasonably produce, which is another thing people always struggle with. I always say, start with the like highest level, start monthly. And then you can work up from there. Just kind of set that as a pattern and make sure you also have some channels in mind for where you can promote this. Do you have social media accounts where you can share this content? Do you have a YouTube channel where you could essentially repurpose this same content and get vlogs out there? And then something else I would think about too is like, how are you actually structuring your posts? We know that there are some SEO best practices for content for blogging, definitely have titles that include some type of valuable keyword.
That’s really important. Do fill out SEO metadata as well. I know Ross is like, Ugh, when they don’t do that, why? And if you don’t know what SEO metadata is, all that is just the title and the little description that shows up in Google search results. So there are plenty of tools that can be plugged into the back end of websites that allow you to fill out that information whenever you’re putting together a blog post. They renamed it. Now I’m going to say the wrong name, but it’s SEO Yoast for WordPress.
Still the name right now. They just got bought out. But it’s still the right name.
Still the name for now. So whenever you’re listening to this, hopefully that’s still the name. Otherwise I sound terrible. [crosstalk 00:24:31] but definitely fill that out. Use quality images, whether it’s stock or something that you have for your business itself. Have images, include videos where you can answer questions and make sure you have a post that’s longer than 250 words. Nobody wants to read something that sure, that could have been a text.
Yeah. And also think about, what other ways can you kind of repurpose this content? Can it be a list? Can it be FAQs? Can it be a little bit more interesting than just a few paragraphs of text? How can you break it up to make it a little bit more interesting?
Yeah. All super helpful. And again, yeah, blogging doesn’t have to be this unreachable, must have writers on hand to execute. It can be starting as small as you said, like planning a monthly post. You’re the expert share your knowledge. Awesome. Well, thanks again for joining us today, Ross and Bailey. It’s awesome to have you on the show again.
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Google December Product Reviews Update Affects More Than English Language Sites? via @sejournal, @martinibuster
Google’s Product Reviews update was announced to be rolling out to the English language. No mention was made as to if or when it would roll out to other languages. Mueller answered a question as to whether it is rolling out to other languages.
Google December 2021 Product Reviews Update
On December 1, 2021, Google announced on Twitter that a Product Review update would be rolling out that would focus on English language web pages.
Our December 2021 product reviews update is now rolling out for English-language pages. It will take about three weeks to complete. We have also extended our advice for product review creators: https://t.co/N4rjJWoaqE
— Google Search Central (@googlesearchc) December 1, 2021
The focus of the update was for improving the quality of reviews shown in Google search, specifically targeting review sites.
A Googler tweeted a description of the kinds of sites that would be targeted for demotion in the search rankings:
“Mainly relevant to sites that post articles reviewing products.
Think of sites like “best TVs under $200″.com.
Goal is to improve the quality and usefulness of reviews we show users.”
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Google also published a blog post with more guidance on the product review update that introduced two new best practices that Google’s algorithm would be looking for.
The first best practice was a requirement of evidence that a product was actually handled and reviewed.
The second best practice was to provide links to more than one place that a user could purchase the product.
The Twitter announcement stated that it was rolling out to English language websites. The blog post did not mention what languages it was rolling out to nor did the blog post specify that the product review update was limited to the English language.
Google’s Mueller Thinking About Product Reviews Update
Product Review Update Targets More Languages?
The person asking the question was rightly under the impression that the product review update only affected English language search results.
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But he asserted that he was seeing search volatility in the German language that appears to be related to Google’s December 2021 Product Review Update.
This is his question:
“I was seeing some movements in German search as well.
So I was wondering if there could also be an effect on websites in other languages by this product reviews update… because we had lots of movement and volatility in the last weeks.
…My question is, is it possible that the product reviews update affects other sites as well?”
John Mueller answered:
“I don’t know… like other languages?
My assumption was this was global and and across all languages.
But I don’t know what we announced in the blog post specifically.
But usually we try to push the engineering team to make a decision on that so that we can document it properly in the blog post.
I don’t know if that happened with the product reviews update. I don’t recall the complete blog post.
But it’s… from my point of view it seems like something that we could be doing in multiple languages and wouldn’t be tied to English.
And even if it were English initially, it feels like something that is relevant across the board, and we should try to find ways to roll that out to other languages over time as well.
So I’m not particularly surprised that you see changes in Germany.
But I also don’t know what we actually announced with regards to the locations and languages that are involved.”
Does Product Reviews Update Affect More Languages?
While the tweeted announcement specified that the product reviews update was limited to the English language the official blog post did not mention any such limitations.
Google’s John Mueller offered his opinion that the product reviews update is something that Google could do in multiple languages.
One must wonder if the tweet was meant to communicate that the update was rolling out first in English and subsequently to other languages.
It’s unclear if the product reviews update was rolled out globally to more languages. Hopefully Google will clarify this soon.
Google Blog Post About Product Reviews Update
Google’s New Product Reviews Guidelines
John Mueller Discusses If Product Reviews Update Is Global
Watch Mueller answer the question at the 14:00 Minute Mark
Survey says: Amazon, Google more trusted with your personal data than Apple is
MacRumors reveals that more people feel better with their personal data in the hands of Amazon and Google than Apple’s. Companies that the public really doesn’t trust when it comes to their personal data include Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram.
The survey asked over 1,000 internet users in the U.S. how much they trusted certain companies such as Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, WhatsApp, YouTube, Google, Microsoft, Apple, and Amazon to handle their user data and browsing activity responsibly.
Amazon and Google are considered by survey respondents to be more trustworthy than Apple
Those surveyed were asked whether they trusted these firms with their personal data “a great deal,” “a good amount,” “not much,” or “not at all.” Respondents could also answer that they had no opinion about a particular company. 18% of those polled said that they trust Apple “a great deal” which topped the 14% received by Google and Amazon.
Amazon and Google are more trusted than Apple is with consumer’s personal data according to a survey
However, 39% said that they trust Amazon by “a good amount” with Google picking up 34% of the votes in that same category. Only 26% of those answering said that they trust Apple by “a good amount.” The first two responses, “a great deal” and “a good amount,” are considered positive replies for a company. “Not much” and “not at all” are considered negative responses.
By adding up the scores in the positive categories,
Apple tallied a score of 44% (18% said it trusted Apple with its personal data “a great deal” while 26% said it trusted Apple “a good amount”). But that placed the tech giant third after Amazon’s 53% and Google’s 48%. After Apple, Microsoft finished fourth with 43%, YouTube (which is owned by Google) was fifth with 35%, and Facebook was sixth at 20%.
Rounding out the remainder of the nine firms in the survey, Instagram placed seventh with a positive score of 19%, WhatsApp was eighth with a score of 15%, and TikTok was last at 12%.
Looking at the scoring for the two negative responses (“not much,” or “not at all”), Facebook had a combined negative score of 72% making it the least trusted company in the survey. TikTok was next at 63% with Instagram following at 60%. WhatsApp and YouTube were both in the middle of the pact at 53% followed next by Google and Microsoft at 47% and 42% respectively. Apple and Amazon each had the lowest combined negative scores at 40% each.
74% of those surveyed called targeted online ads invasive
The survey also found that a whopping 82% of respondents found targeted online ads annoying and 74% called them invasive. Just 27% found such ads helpful. This response doesn’t exactly track the 62% of iOS users who have used Apple’s App Tracking Transparency feature to opt-out of being tracked while browsing websites and using apps. The tracking allows third-party firms to send users targeted ads online which is something that they cannot do to users who have opted out.
The 38% of iOS users who decided not to opt out of being tracked might have done so because they find it convenient to receive targeted ads about a certain product that they looked up online. But is ATT actually doing anything?
Marketing strategy consultant Eric Seufert said last summer, “Anyone opting out of tracking right now is basically having the same level of data collected as they were before. Apple hasn’t actually deterred the behavior that they have called out as being so reprehensible, so they are kind of complicit in it happening.”
The Financial Times says that iPhone users are being lumped together by certain behaviors instead of unique ID numbers in order to send targeted ads. Facebook chief operating officer Sheryl Sandberg says that the company is working to rebuild its ad infrastructure “using more aggregate or anonymized data.”
Aggregated data is a collection of individual data that is used to create high-level data. Anonymized data is data that removes any information that can be used to identify the people in a group.
When consumers were asked how often do they think that their phones or other tech devices are listening in to them in ways that they didn’t agree to, 72% answered “very often” or “somewhat often.” 28% responded by saying “rarely” or “never.”
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Google’s John Mueller on Brand Mentions via @sejournal, @martinibuster
What’s A Brand Mention?
A brand mention is when one website mentions another website. There is an idea in the SEO community that when a website mentions another website’s domain name or URL that Google will see this and count it the same as a link.
Brand Mentions are also known as an implied link. Much was written about this ten years ago after a Google patent that mentions “implied links” surfaced.
There has never been a solid review of why the idea of “brand mentions” has nothing to do with this patent, but I’ll provide a shortened version later in this article.
John Mueller Discussing Brand Mentions
Do Brand Mentions Help With Rankings?
The person asking the question wanted to know about brand mentions for the purpose of ranking. The person asking the question has good reason to ask it because the idea of “brand mentions” has never been definitively reviewed.
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The person asked the question:
“Do brand mentions without a link help with SEO rankings?”
Google Does Not Use Brand Mentions
Google’s John Mueller answered that Google does not use the “brand mentions” for any link related purpose.
“From my point of view, I don’t think we use those at all for things like PageRank or understanding the link graph of a website.
And just a plain mention is sometimes kind of tricky to figure out anyway.”
That part about it being tricky is interesting.
He didn’t elaborate on why it’s tricky until later in the video where he says it’s hard to understand the subjective context of a website mentioning another website.
Brand Mentions Are Useful For Building Awareness
Mueller next says that brand mentions may be useful for helping to get the word out about a site, which is about building popularity.
“But it can be something that makes people aware of your brand, and from that point of view, could be something where indirectly you might have some kind of an effect from that in that they search for your brand and then …obviously, if they’re searching for your brand then hopefully they find you right away and then they can go to your website.
And if they like what they see there, then again, they can go off and recommend that to other people as well.”
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“Brand Mentions” Are Problematic
Later on at the 58 minute mark another person brings the topic back up and asks how Google could handle spam sites that are mentioning a brand in a negative way.
The person said that one can disavow links but one cannot disavow a “brand mention.”
Mueller agreed and said that’s one of things that makes brand mentions difficult to use for ranking purposes.
John Mueller explained:
“Kind of understanding the almost the subjective context of the mention is really hard.
Is it like a positive mention or a negative mention?
Is it a sarcastic positive mention or a sarcastic negative mention? How can you even tell?
And all of that, together with the fact that there are lots of spammy sites out there and sometimes they just spin content, sometimes they’re malicious with regards to the content that they create…
All of that, I think, makes it really hard to say we can just use that as the same as a link.
…It’s just, I think, too confusing to use as a clear signal.”
Where “Brand Mentions” Come From
The idea of “brand mentions” has bounced around for over ten years.
There were no research papers or patents to support it. “Brand mentions” is literally an idea that someone invented out of thin air.
However the “brand mention” idea took off in 2012 when a patent surfaced that seemed to confirm the idea of brand mentions.
There’s a whole long story to this so I’m just going to condense it.
There’s a patent from 2012 that was misinterpreted in several different ways because most people at the time, myself included, did not read the entire patent from beginning to end.
The patent itself is about ranking web pages.
The structure of most Google patents consist of introductory paragraphs that discuss what the patent is about and those paragraphs are followed by pages of in-depth description of the details.
The introductory paragraphs that explain what it’s about states:
“Methods, systems, and apparatus, including computer programs… for ranking search results.”
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Pretty much nobody read that beginning part of the patent.
Everyone focused on a single paragraph in the middle of the patent (page 9 out of 16 pages).
In that paragraph there is a mention of something called “implied links.”
The word “implied” is only mentioned four times in the entire patent and all four times are contained within that single paragraph.
So when this patent was discovered, the SEO industry focused on that single paragraph as proof that Google uses brand mentions.
In order to understand what an “implied link” is, you have to scroll all the way back up to the opening paragraphs where the Google patent authors describe something called a “reference query” that is not a link but is nevertheless used for ranking purposes just like a link.
What Is A Reference Query?
A reference query is a search query that contains a reference to a URL or a domain name.
The patent states:
“A reference query for a particular group of resources can be a previously submitted search query that has been categorized as referring to a resource in the particular group of resources.”
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Elsewhere the patent provides a more specific explanation:
“A query can be classified as referring to a particular resource if the query includes a term that is recognized by the system as referring to the particular resource.
…search queries including the term “example.com” can be classified as referring to that home page.”
The summary of the patent, which comes at the beginning of the document, states that it’s about establishing which links to a website are independent and also counting reference queries and with that information creating a “modification factor” which is used to rank web pages.
“…determining, for each of the plurality of groups of resources, a respective count of reference queries; determining, for each of the plurality of groups of resources, a respective group-specific modification factor, wherein the group-specific modification factor for each group is based on the count of independent links and the count of reference queries for the group;”
The entire patent largely rests on those two very important factors, a count of independent inbound links and the count of reference queries. The phrases reference query and reference queries are used 39 times in the patent.
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As noted above, the reference query is used for ranking purposes like a link, but it’s not a link.
The patent states:
“An implied link is a reference to a target resource…”
It’s clear that in this patent, when it mentions the implied link, it’s talking about reference queries, which as explained above simply means when people search using keywords and the domain name of a website.
Idea of Brand Mentions Is False
The whole idea of “brand mentions” became a part of SEO belief systems because of how that patent was misinterpreted.
But now you have the facts and know why “brand mentions” is not real thing.
Plus John Mueller confirmed it.
“Brand mentions” is something completely random that someone in the SEO community invented out of thin air.
Watch John Mueller discuss “brand mentions” at 44:10 Minute Mark and the brand Mentions second part begins at the 58:12 minute mark
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