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Daily Search Forum Recap: January 2, 2023
Here is a recap of what happened in the search forums today, through the eyes of the Search Engine Roundtable and other search forums on the web.
I hope you all had a nice new year! The SEO skills you need in 2023, according to Google, are curiosity and persistence. Google said putting page numbers in the title tags of your pagination won’t help. Google is testing a new knowledge panel feedback interface. Google’s John Mueller was helping SEOs on New Year as well. And I have another vlog for you. Finally, I have the Google webmaster report ready for you all.
Search Engine Roundtable Stories:
- Google’s John Mueller Said SEO Skills Needed For 2023 Are Curiosity & Persistence
Google’s John Mueller was asked what SEO skills does one need in 2023. To which he replied, “curiosity and persistence” are needed. - January 2023 Google Webmaster Report
Welcome to 2023, and with that, here is our Google webmaster report for 2023 – where we summarize the bigger Google SEO-related changes in the past month. The big items were the release of the December 2022 helpful content update and the December 2022 link spam update. - John Mueller Of Google Helping SEOs On New Years 2023
John Mueller of Google was on the web, responding to SEO-related questions both on New Year’s Eve and New Year. This has become expected from John, which might be unfair to him, but he has done this not just on Christmas but also every new years for the past 15 years or so. - Google: Page Numbers In Titles Of Paginated Pages Does Not Help With SEO
Alan Kent from Google in the latest Google SEO office hours said that putting page numbers in your title tags for your paginated pages does not help much with SEO. He said, “including the page number in your information about a page will have little effect.” - Google Tests New Cleaner Knowledge Panel Feedback Interface
Google Knowledge Panels are fun and when they are wrong, you can submit feedback to Google directly in the search interface. But that interface is pretty ugly, or at least it was. Google seems to be testing a much cleaner and prettier interface for submitting knowledge panel feedback in Google Search. - Vlog #204: Nicole Waddington On Working At A Digital Marketing Agency
Nicole Waddington is a digital marketing strategist at Cypress North. She started her career as an Intern at Cypress North and then was offered a full-time job at the agency. She spoke about her interest in marketing but found this job through her university and was eager to work for an… - Wood Structure At Google Kirkland
Here is a photo from a few months back from the Google office in Kirkland, Seattle. You can see some wooden structure. I assume it was half built then. But I kind of like it as is. I hope Google left
Other Great Search Threads:
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Other Great Search Stories:
Analytics
Industry & Business
Local & Maps
Mobile & Voice
SEO
PPC
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Google Discover Showing Older Content Since Follow Feature Arrived

Typically, Google Discover shows content that is less than a day old, but it can show content that is weeks, months, or even years old. However, typically, Google will show more recent content in the Discover feed. Well, that may have changed with the new Google follow feature.
Glenn Gabe, who is a very active Google Discover user, noticed that since the Follow feature rolled out, he has been seeing content that is weeks and months old way more often than before the follow feature rolled out. Glenn wrote on X that “this could also be playing a role. i.e. Google isn’t providing as much recent content, but instead, focusing on providing targeted content based on the topics you are following.”
It makes sense that if you follow a specific topic and if Google Discover only shows the most authoritative types of content, it might be hard for Google to find new content on that topic. So it does make sense that Google may show older content more often for that specific topic you follow.
Here are screenshots Glenn shared:
Have you noticed this in your Discover feed?
Forum discussion at X.
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Google Core Update Done Followed By Intense Search Volatility, New Structured Data, Google Ads Head Steps Down & 20 Years Covering Search

Google’s November 2023 core update finally finished rolling out this week, and it was the longest core update rollout. Then, a day later, we saw more intense Google search ranking volatility and chatter. Google added new organization structured data and also added a new profile page and discussion forum structured data, both with Search Console and Rich Results test support. Google’s crawl rate setting is going away soon. Google Search Console went down a couple of times this week. Google spoke about the SEO value of bringing back 404 pages for links. Did you see the Google patent for what appears to be SGE? Microsoft is working to bring GPT-4 Turbo to Copilot and Bing Chat. Google Ads won’t allow personalized ads for consumer finance topics in February 2024. Google Local Service Ads has new impression metrics. Google Ads released its Ads API schedule for 2024. Google is testing Gray accepted labels in the search results. Google is testing line separators between sitelinks. Google is testing an interview label for news results. Google local photos is testing hearts and other emotion reactions. Google is testing removing the cache link from the search result listings. Google’s head of search ads, Jerry Dischler, is stepping down after 15 years. And I’ve been covering the search industry and search for 20 years now. And if you want to help sponsor those vlogs, go to patreon.com/barryschwartz. That was the search news this week at the Search Engine Roundtable.
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Generative Summaries For Search Results

Google has a published patent named “Generative summaries for search results” which is believed to be the patent behind the Search Generative Experience launch we saw earlier this year. This patent was filed on March 20, 2023 and approved on September 26, 2023 under the patent ID US11769017B1.
Juan Gonzalez Villa posted a thread on X breaking it down, which I will embed below so you can read it.
The abstract reads:
At least selectively utilizing a large language model (LLM) in generating a natural language (NL) based summary to be rendered in response to a query. In some implementations, in generating the NL based summary additional content is processed using the LLM. The additional content is in addition to query content of the query itself and, in generating the NL based summary, can be processed using the LLM and along with the query content—or even independent of the query content. Processing the additional content can, for example, mitigate occurrences of the NL based summary including inaccuracies and/or can mitigate occurrences of the NL based summary being over-specified and/or under-specified.
Here are Juan’s posts:
Before we start: there are currently no other patents assigned to Google mentioning generative AI techniques and search.
There might be other patents on the same topic still pending, but I believe this document is highly relevant to Google SGE as it works right now. pic.twitter.com/L4Ly5Ows2c
— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
1. Receiving a query associated with a client device. The query can be explicitly entered by a user or automatically generated based on context.
2. Selecting a set of search result documents (SRDs) that are responsive to the query and related or recent queries.
— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
4. Processing the SRD content snippets using an LLM to generate LLM output. An optional summarization prompt can also be included.
5. Generating a natural language summary using the LLM output. This leverages robustness of the LLM while constraining it to the SRD content.
— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
This checks out with something stated in the document “An Overview of SGE”, made public by Google around SGE’s launch, although we didn’t have any more details.
The patent now provides plenty of detail around how and why several models are available and can be used: pic.twitter.com/U035N35Bxl
— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
3. The selection can be based on:
• Processing the query with a classifier to predict best model(s)
• Detecting certain terms in the query to indicate suitable model(s)
• Considering search result types/content to determine appropriate model(s)— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
So by dynamically selecting from multiple candidate generative models, the invention aims to optimize accuracy and efficiency by choosing the most suited model(s) for any given query.
The patent also provide some details on how the links to sources work:
— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
1. “A portion, of a visually rendered NL summary, that is supported by a first SRD can be selectable (and optionally underlined, highlighted, and/or otherwise annotated).
A selection of the portion can result in navigating to a link corresponding to the first SRD.”
— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
3. The links can be general links to the SRDs or specific anchor links to the portions that provide the verification.
4. The linkified portions can be determined based on comparing the summary content to SRD content using encoder models to identify verified portions. pic.twitter.com/zlJFFO2c6Q
— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
Here’s how confidence works, according to the patent:
1. Confidence measures can be generated for portions of the summary or for the summary as a whole.
The confidence measures are then used to determine which confidence annotation from a set of candidates should be applied.
— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
3. A textual “high confidence”, “medium confidence”, or “low confidence” annotation can be annotated for the NL based summary as a whole.
Each of the portions of the NL based summary can be annotated with a corresponding color that reflects a degree of confidence in that portion
— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
Thanks for reading so far.
Here’s the link to the patent: https://t.co/AtGMiWqzG9
Now, I’ll explain how I found out about this patent, and another interesting thing:
What Google SGE and Featured Snippets have in common… 🤓⤵
— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
According to his own career summary, he worked in SGE at Google between Nov 2022 and Sep 2023. He is now a Google Fellow, the highest rung on the ladder for Google engineers, which they reach thanks to “consistently outstanding accomplishments”. pic.twitter.com/aZmpfkajmI
— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
Their careers afterwards were very similar: they both went to Apple, where they worked in Search and Siri, and came back to Google at the end of 2022 to work in SGE.
So… how did I find the patent? I decided to look for patents by any of these two engineers and there it was. 💡 pic.twitter.com/1uUPi9myoj
— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
Their careers afterwards were very similar: they both went to Apple, where they worked in Search and Siri, and came back to Google at the end of 2022 to work in SGE.
So… how did I find the patent? I decided to look for patents by any of these two engineers and there it was. 💡 pic.twitter.com/1uUPi9myoj
— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
If you enjoyed this thread, any feedback, likes and/or RTs are appreciated.
Also, here’s a post version of this thread:https://t.co/JSt9qNcVTr
— Juan González Villa (@seostratega) November 29, 2023
Nice write up Juan!
Forum discussion at X.
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