Google’s Danny Sullivan said that not only can a rich result manual action result in the removal of your rich results from displaying in Google Search but also it can lead to a wider “broader spam manual action that involves ranking.”

Just for some history, in 2015 John Mueller of Google said a rich results manual action would only lead to a site’s rich results being illegible (removed) from displaying in Google Search. He said it would not result in a site having a ranking decline because of a rich result manual action.

So this is a bit of a change in what the messaging is around this, or is it?

In 2015 John said “Rich snippet themselves don’t give you ranking boosts. So it would’t kind of make sense to demote a site in rankings if they are doing something wrong with rich snippets. So essentially we just turn off the rich snippets until we are sure that we can trust them.”

And here is what Danny Sullivan said a few days ago on Twitter, “It’s possible that a manual action involving structured data might simply remove eligibility to have that appear. But it is possible it could be seen as a broader spam manual action that involves ranking.”

It’s possible that a manual action involving structured data might simply remove eligibility to have that appear. But it is possible it could be seen as a broader spam manual action that involves ranking.

— Google SearchLiaison (@searchliaison) November 16, 2022

Danny then added “In general, it’s probably useful to have a reset here. We don’t say that structured data is a ranking factor, because it’s designed primarily for rich snippets — really a display thing, if content is deemed eligible for it to be supported. In contrast, we have a variety of *policies and* that can potentially involve ranking if violated. The help page is talking about those *policies* in the discussion about ranking.”

In contrast, we have a variety of *policies and* that can potentially involve ranking if violated. The help page is talking about those *policies* in the discussion about ranking.

— Google SearchLiaison (@searchliaison) November 16, 2022

So maybe it is not the rich results manual action causing the ranking decline but since the site did get a rich results manual action, then maybe it also got flagged for other policy violations resulting in a ranking decline?

Here is more of the context around this conversion:

They just clarified this https://t.co/tiBuhLSRfQ

— Lily Ray 😏 (@lilyraynyc) November 15, 2022

I read it as – if your site violates their general content guidelines, your rankings may go down *and/or your ability to get rich results*

— Lily Ray 😏 (@lilyraynyc) November 15, 2022

Content that violates our content policies — which includes things like spam — might not rank as well. Those policies (as linked to on that page) is here:https://t.co/kZ5G908N4W

If you violate structured data guidelines, typically you’re not eligible for rich results…

— Google SearchLiaison (@searchliaison) November 15, 2022

If structured data is considered to be spammy on a page (not the content that’s visible to users, just the structured data), will that impact the rankings for that page?

— Brodie Clark (@brodieseo) November 16, 2022

It’s possible that a manual action involving structured data might simply remove eligibility to have that appear. But it is possible it could be seen as a broader spam manual action that involves ranking.

— Google SearchLiaison (@searchliaison) November 16, 2022

In contrast, we have a variety of *policies and* that can potentially involve ranking if violated. The help page is talking about those *policies* in the discussion about ranking.

— Google SearchLiaison (@searchliaison) November 16, 2022

Forum discussion at Twitter.

Update: More from Danny Sullivan of Google on this that pretty much validates what I thought above:

But if you’ve been spammy there, maybe you’ve been spammy elsewhere which could produce — as our docs explain — automatically ranking issues or manual action.

— Danny Sullivan (@dannysullivan) November 18, 2022

I mean it’s “More on why Google structured data manual actions that lead to a loss of eligibility for rich results could mean you’re separately doing things against its spam policies that might produce ranking changes.”

— Danny Sullivan (@dannysullivan) November 18, 2022